I’d stay at SMU. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Wᴇʟᴄᴏᴍᴇ ᴛᴏ ʀ/SGExᴀᴍs – the largest community on reddit discussing Singapore schools and examinations. 3) If you want to work in Dallas, SMU has decent placement there. Best to make your choice based on cultural fit. Foreigners who know that Singapore exists generally know about NUS but not SMU. How would one know if he/she is really interested in Law? NUS tends to have more variety. One of the reasons why people think it’s great is because it forces u to have higher involvement in ur school community + fosters interfaculty bonding, which happens in smu via the more exciting ccas! the rest are lecture/tutorial). 4) Big law is going to be hard to get from either. SMU dedicated the Gerald J. Ford Hall for Research and Innovation on December 4, 2020, a new 50,000-square-foot interdisciplinary research hub that will equip faculty, students and industry partners with tools and resources to collaborate, solve complex problems and power new enterprises in the digital world of today and tomorrow. The rest have slowly become seminar-style teaching (whether it's because of the benefits of seminar-style, or simply disagreement between profs, we'll never know lol), some mods have project work; highly dependent on individual profs, presentations: again, highly independent on individual profs. Its location and its connection with the Dallas legal community are the school's top draw. 13. An SMU degree is a pass to practice most anywhere in Texas. 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Do you have any advice for those who are deterred by the heavy workload and oversupply of Lawyers? SMU Law ranks #37 in terms of library size with 666,576 volumes or equivalents. And also, the quality of education isn’t compromised (which I feel like is a really important factor!) Founded in February 1925, the school was renamed Dedman School of Law in February 2001 in honor of its benefactors, the late Robert H. Dedman Sr., his wife Nancy McMillan Dedman, and their family. I am a 163 and a 3.76, SMU gave me $30k a year (the most they handed out in the initial scholarship according to what I could see on law school numbers). /*# sourceMappingURL=https://www.redditstatic.com/desktop2x/chunkCSS/TopicLinksContainer.361933014be843c79476.css.map*/, Agreed with all my nus pals - this quote ^ is golden - couldn't have put it any better =). I think hall life is super great but frankly unnecessary. Does that affect its standing in terms of employability? Hall isn't really a consideration because the majority of NUS law students (as far as I'm aware) just become ghosts. the culture is pretty supportive, but of course, we are all still bellcurved, so don't be too naive. 10. Feel free to discuss in the comments if u have any concerns.. i remember crying for hours after getting rejected from UCLA for undergrad. 3. Everything you said is pretty accurate. Professor Joe McKnight, a faculty member since September 1955, in the Rare Law Book collection, which he donated to SMU Dedman School of Law in 2011. do your own solid research, talk to current students and most importantly, trust in your own gut. 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You can get a job in Houston with an SMU degree, if you want. What was your subject combination in JC? 14. Cowboys. both schools are excellent, and there is no reason to shun from either one just because you hear rumours of a school being too toxic and competitive, or a school being too mugger and no life. so i don't think it's that huge of a difference to warrant such a clear divide between the two schools. SMU Law Professor Dale Carpenter On Texas Election Lawsuit. I’m sure throughout ur life u also didn’t think every lecture u attended was important, so in this context, not every presentation/group work component will be ‘important’ or ‘useful’. How can you tell if you can cope with the rigour of the curriculum? i just got the call from dean schwartz. I’m from atlanta, but went to undergrad at SMU. Quality of academics, class size, true law school campus, three law journals and a number of clinic opportunities. There’s a CNA article on this , not sure if the UK example was mentioned here too: https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/singapore/lawyers-law-sector-disrupted-technology-artificial-intelligence-11145088. this is simply to show that nus law students are a far cry from the usual generalisation that all we do is mug and grind in the CJ Koh library. While some may think the project work in modules are redundant, every uni has its pros and cons. How did you know you were suited for Law School? 12. I would say career opportunities wise or in terms of quality of education there is really no meaningful distinction between the two schools. DFW Community Helps Students To Practice By Participating In One Of Four Clinics Aimed At Helping Low-Income Members. 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SMU Law School is located on the campus of its parent institution, Southern Methodist University. I feel like there are no current smu law students on this thread LOL and this is just what I gathered after scouring the entire internet. Hi guys! Of course, I have a biased view, but my experience at SMU was very rewarding overall. Also, you'll be surprised at how many moots smu actually wins over nus haha. Look at the mods offered and see what interests you. 13. Menu. Tl;dr: To find out more about SMU Law, visit my blog uniclues.com. SMU Law graduates' pass rate on the July 2019 bar exam was 88.66% for first time takers. ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} SMU dominates the Dallas market, but thats about it, luckily its a big market. skills/clinical education: NUS has numerous clinics where law students do legal work under the supervision of profs and practitioners.There are clinics for litigation, Corp work, policy work, intl economics, intl law making with the UN. seniors are also very very friendly in nus. #39 in Highest Tuition. Appreciate the hard work you put in! tunasammie March 7, 2018 at 10:22 AM . SMU Dedman School of Law makes the following non-tuition cost estimates to set a maximum loan amount available to students for living expenses. But I think that really differs from cohort to cohort. On the downside, SMU can have quite a toxic/competitive culture, and there are many people who only care about others superficially and/or will only associate with those who can bring benefit to them. For nearly 100 years, this law school has trained women and men to be prominent lawyers in both business and law. just curious, how many of y’all are choosing SMU law over NUS law? Highlighting the celebration of its 75th year, SMU School of Law was named Dedman School of Law in 2001 in honor of Dallas benefactors Nancy and Robert H. Dedman, Sr., and their family. i’m going to law school!! Since our founding in 2009, we have made an outsized impact on law schools and their accreditor, the American Bar Association. This is awesome, thanks for all your hard work on this website, guys! Afaik, the only compulsory core mods which still work on the lecture/tutorial system are contract, torts, property, constitutional law, and probably evidence law. Career placement needs work - was geared only toward Big Law for a long time and is working to change that. Many lawyers (in the UK iirc) who focused only on/relied heavily on providing those services for survival were put out of their jobs. 5. Sentiment amongst some practitioners is that SMU students take more risks, are more articulate and communicative etc (what you would expect), while NUS students have a stronger foundation of legal knowledge. Under the standards developed by the U.S. Department of Labor's Wage and Hour Division, federal rules substantially limit the extent to which unpaid internships can be offered. Oooh we kinda overlooked the whole debate on AI. What are your thoughts on NUS Law and SMU Law? 5) If you want to do criminal law defense or family law, you will most likely not be working for a … How is life generally at SMU Law? Plus I think people from SMULaw are definitely more articulate than NUS because they’re trained in presentations and class part :-) I did take the whole class participation thing in smu into consideration, but I do think that it does help to have a more engaged class that understands concepts as compared to one that just takes down notes and studies, especially in the context of law. As a matter of legal practice, the skills and knowledge you require, especially in commercial law, simply won't be accessible as a student. What are some skills do you think students need to have before entering Law school? 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